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Is this engine easy to service?

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lhedrick

Time to replace the rock solid but vibration prone KLR 650, it owes me nothing.

 

The T700 looks like a possibility for me.  I want simple like the KLR.   

 

At 65, I no longer want to work on bikes any more than I need to.  I want to ride not wrench.  I like all the new bikes, if only I could get one without all the electronic junk.   I'm just going to set it to 1 mode and forget it.   I have never needed traction control in 50 years and I don't need it now.  I had a good ride on the Africa twin but when I found out how much work it is just to replace a valve shim the Honda engineers have no clue what real bike owner need to deal with when servicing their bike.  I like the Tiger and the GS 800 also.  But, they are all too heavy.  All the new hardware I am seeing look solid but no effort has been made to allow us to get too things for a simple issue.   I don't what to deal with removing 50 bolts and plastic sections just to deal with a simple thing like a vacuum hose popping off or a loose bolt when I'm 50 miles out a remote dirt road.   I shouldn't have to remove any more than 3 bolts on each side to remove covers to get to what's important. 

 

Like most I  have not seen the T700 and all the review on youtube are nothing but fluff.  Nothing about engine internals, nothing about if the bike is reasonable to work on.    I assume the T700 engine has valve shims like most engines, is it a relatively easy task to check the clearance and replace one if needed.  Please tell me a spark plug change doesn't take all day.

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12 hours ago, lhedrick said:

Time to replace the rock solid but vibration prone KLR 650, it owes me nothing.

 

The T700 looks like a possibility for me.  I want simple like the KLR.   

 

At 65, I no longer want to work on bikes any more than I need to.  I want to ride not wrench.  I like all the new bikes, if only I could get one without all the electronic junk.   I'm just going to set it to 1 mode and forget it.   I have never needed traction control in 50 years and I don't need it now.  I had a good ride on the Africa twin but when I found out how much work it is just to replace a valve shim the Honda engineers have no clue what real bike owner need to deal with when servicing their bike.  I like the Tiger and the GS 800 also.  But, they are all too heavy.  All the new hardware I am seeing look solid but no effort has been made to allow us to get too things for a simple issue.   I don't what to deal with removing 50 bolts and plastic sections just to deal with a simple thing like a vacuum hose popping off or a loose bolt when I'm 50 miles out a remote dirt road.   I shouldn't have to remove any more than 3 bolts on each side to remove covers to get to what's important. 

 

Like most I  have not seen the T700 and all the review on youtube are nothing but fluff.  Nothing about engine internals, nothing about if the bike is reasonable to work on.    I assume the T700 engine has valve shims like most engines, is it a relatively easy task to check the clearance and replace one if needed.  Please tell me a spark plug change doesn't take all day.

I also admin the MT07 forum and have heard of ZERO engine failures on this engine. The engine has been produced since 2014, guys are putting some serious miles on. I know of a few with more than 60,000 miles on it. 

 

But, the airfilter is a bitch to get to. 

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"But, the air ilter is a bitch to get to."  

 

That is my point entirely.   All these bikes are very close in terms of performance.  The one which is the easiest to service is likely the one which will be at the top of my buy list.  How can an item liken an air filter be difficult to change?  If a manufacturer can't that that right how can we expect them to get the really important stuff correct?  Access panels which are easy to remove are a lot more important to me than how cool the bike looks.  A cool looking bike gets me nothing  when I'm stuck by the side of the road.  Case in point.  I had a vacuum hose fail on a fuel petcock.   I could see it but could not get my hand on it to make a repair.  To get some electrical tape on it to seal the leak, I had to take the seat and a side panel off which took me an hour by the side of the road.   I should have take no more the 5 minutes at most. 

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2 hours ago, lhedrick said:

"But, the air ilter is a bitch to get to."  

 

That is my point entirely.   All these bikes are very close in terms of performance.  The one which is the easiest to service is likely the one which will be at the top of my buy list.  How can an item liken an air filter be difficult to change?  If a manufacturer can't that that right how can we expect them to get the really important stuff correct?  Access panels which are easy to remove are a lot more important to me than how cool the bike looks.  A cool looking bike gets me nothing  when I'm stuck by the side of the road.  Case in point.  I had a vacuum hose fail on a fuel petcock.   I could see it but could not get my hand on it to make a repair.  To get some electrical tape on it to seal the leak, I had to take the seat and a side panel off which took me an hour by the side of the road.   I should have take no more the 5 minutes at most. 

I saw a recent review where they relocated the air filter on the T700 so that it's really easy to access.  (Found it: 31 Fast Facts - Tenere 700 )

 

  • " #28 - Servicing the Ténéré 700 is a convenient, yet infrequent, exercise. Engine valves should be checked every 25,000 miles while the oil should be changed every 6,000 miles. With the removal of the aluminum skidplate, the oil drain plug and filter are easily accessible. Likewise, the paper air filter element is located under the seat and can be swapped on the trail using the onboard hex key. If you ride off-road much, you will want to source a washable and reusable oil-foam filter. "

So it looks like they did make some effort towards making it easy to service common items you might do on a regular basis.  As for valve checks & adjustments or other long interval maintenance, I don't have any experience with the FZ/MT-07.

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