SuperMoto T7?

[Rich TT]

So folks, I've been thinking...

 

The MT-07 front discs are exactly the same size as the T7's (no surprise in terms of money saving etc.). So it got me thinking if MT-07 wheels would fit? What a supermoto that would be (and keep the off road wheels/tyres for a quick swap). Two bikes in one

 

The swinging arm will take a 180 rear tyre of the MT-07 I'm sure no problem. So does anyone have any idea if they would fit? If not, I'll get my tape measure out at my Yamaha dealers...

 

The front mudguard might look a bit weird with the smaller 17 inch front wheel, but I'll worry about that after I know they fit.

 

Cheers

Rich

Edited October 7, 2019 by Rich TT

[Noel McCutcheon]

Good SuperMoto Idea / point.... Yep, I to thought 17” wheels would be awesome... I haven noticed that the front brake pads don’t sweep all the down the whole depth of the discs so I reckon that a mod of deeper brake pad would be an easy increase in front brake power for 17” road wheels / tyres to .

Edited October 7, 2019 by X Plane

[hombacher]

...think this is what you have observed:

 

 

My concern is in regard to the ground clearance.  In tight curves it happened that my outer foot scratched the street, even when it was placed correctly on the pegs. Maybe the Pirellis are much too good for onroad riding.

 

The foot pegs shall be installed higher by adapters or a rotating plate for onroad/offroad use. 

[Rich TT]

29 minutes ago, hombacher said:

...think this is what you have observed:

 

 

My concern is in regard to the ground clearance.  In tight curves it happened that my outer foot scratched the street, even when it was placed correctly on the pegs. Maybe the Pirellis are much too good for onroad riding.

 

The foot pegs shall be installed higher by adapters or a rotating plate for onroad/offroad use.

I've not seen that or anything, just had an idea. What bike is that, as obviously not a T7 with normal forks?

 

Do you know if they'll fit a T7?

 

Thanks

Rich

[ScorpionT16]

why add a 17" wheel to the bike instead of just just throwing on some street tires, or better yet just get an MT-07 rather than go through all the effort?

Edited October 7, 2019 by ScorpionT16

[Rich TT]

4 minutes ago, ScorpionT16 said:

why add a 17" wheel to the bike instead of just just throwing on some street tires, or better yet just get an MT-07 rather than go through all the effort?

Sorry, I think you're missing my point. I don't want to have to swap tyres as I will be off roading and roading. The idea was to have a cheap two bikes in one. MT-07 wheels are pretty cheap on eBay. I have a KTM and do exactly that and they make it genuinely two bikes in one.  Both are just as much fun. I don't want an MT-07 at all as I'm into true dual sport and love Supermoto. Wheels can be swapped in less than 30 minutes, so no effort at all and I like working on bikes.

Edited October 7, 2019 by Rich TT

[ScorpionT16]

okay, in which case why not just get a second set of T7 Rims, does the 21>17" front fro street make that much of a diff, to go through the hassle of changing the brakes, plus ergonomics as the bike front gets lower? Just wondering cause I have a CB500X now, 17/17 wheels, and use it for 80% on road commuting, put a deposit down on a T7 for the 21" front in off road, on road if anything its better for pot holes and getting more adv tire options

Edited October 7, 2019 by ScorpionT16

[Rich TT]

10 minutes ago, ScorpionT16 said:

okay, in which case why not just get a second set of T7 Rims, does the 21>17" front fro street make that much of a diff, to go through the hassle of changing the brakes, plus ergonomics as the bike front gets lower? Just wondering cause I have a CB500X now, 17/17 wheels, and use it for 80% on road commuting, put a deposit down on a T7 for the 21" front in off road, on road if anything its better for pot holes and getting more adv tire options

Yes, huge difference. I've been riding Supermoto for years and don't just want road tyres on the standard rims. If they fit, they'll be nothing to change brake-wise or gearing. A dead simple in and out.

 

Hoping someone might know if they fit. If not, I'll measure up an MT-07 and share with the forum.

 

Rich

Edited October 7, 2019 by Rich TT

[hombacher]

18 hours ago, Rich TT said:

I've not seen that or anything, just had an idea. What bike is that, as obviously not a T7 with normal forks?

 

Do you know if they'll fit a T7?

 

Thanks

Rich

 

These are our two CP2s, my wife' new Tenere 700 and my old XSR700. After visiting a bike show end of last year, in the beginning of this year, I was as well wondering, if there is a chance of easy swapping the wheels.

 

So I did some quick measuring, after this topic came up again. My first impression, everything looks so very similar, but it is not:

 

Front wheel, outside front disc to disc XSR/T7 - 126/116 mm,

between the fork legs, weidth XSR/T7 - 152/160 mm,

axle diameter according parts catalogue front wheel bearings XSR/T7 - ø17/20 mm

 

Rear wheel, outside disc to middle chain - XSR/T7 - 190/201

 

 

Conclusion: having measured this, I see no chance for a quick & dirty easy swap with a set of MT/XSR wheels. The adaption to be made need a little efforts, but are not impossible.

The MT/XSR wheels are very lightweight, that's fine, on the bad site, the rear is for a tire of 180 width, a little fat for a Supermoto in my opinion.

 

BR

hombacher

[Rich TT]

46 minutes ago, hombacher said:

 

These are our two CP2s, my wife' new Tenere 700 and my old XSR700. After visiting a bike show end of last year, in the beginning of this year, I was as well wondering, if there is a chance of easy swapping the wheels.

 

So I did some quick measuring, after this topic came up again. My first impression, everything looks so very similar, but it is not:

 

Front wheel, outside front disc to disc XSR/T7 - 126/116 mm,

between the fork legs, weidth XSR/T7 - 152/160 mm,

axle diameter according parts catalogue front wheel bearings XSR/T7 - ø17/20 mm

 

Rear wheel, outside disc to middle chain - XSR/T7 - 190/201

 

 

Conclusion: having measured this, I see no chance for a quick & dirty easy swap with a set of MT/XSR wheels. The adaption to be made need a little efforts, but are not impossible.

The MT/XSR wheels are very lightweight, that's fine, on the bad site, the rear is for a tire of 180 width, a little fat for a Supermoto in my opinion.

 

BR

hombacher

Really helpful thanks and exactly what I was after. Not super straightforward then. A bit of machining and spacers would sort some things out, but the spindle differences is a bit more difficult.

 

I assume an XSR and MT-07 have exactly the same dimensions for wheels.

 

Cheers

Rich

[hombacher]

 

 Correct, MT, XSR and Tracer 700 are all same same...

 

[Rich TT]

3 hours ago, hombacher said:

 

 Correct, MT, XSR and Tracer 700 are all same same...

 

Brilliant and thanks again for your help.

[Aleksandar13]

Was wondering today about the following scenario... 

Bring wheels to wheel manufacturing company in UK.. Use original hubs.. Re-spoke and use 17 front and back outer rim...

Would this be possible and the cheaper way? 

If obviously you didn't want two sets of wheels

[Aleksandar13]

I have been in touch with Central Wheel Components about the above suggestion and ... here are the results.. 

 

To use the original hubs of the t7 and create 17 inch wheels with stainless spokes and rims in black finish it will be around £640 , no shipping included.

 

He did mention that the limiting factor on the front might be the distance between the forks...

 

[Rich TT]

13 minutes ago, Aleksandar13 said:

I have been in touch with Central Wheel Components about the above suggestion and ... here are the results.. 

 

To use the original hubs of the t7 and create 17 inch wheels with stainless spokes and rims in black finish it will be around £640 , no shipping included.

 

He did mention that the limiting factor on the front might be the distance between the forks...

 

Very interesting and a good price indeed. Now all I need are some wheels to appear on eBay as I need my off road wheels ! Or save up and buy some bartubeless from rally raid......

 

I think I measured the front mudguard and clearance from my KTM supermoto wheel and it looked OK or just minor cutting of the front mudguard. It would look great with a supermoto front mudguard and twin brakelines and trash the original fender as would look daft I recokon with a much smaller 17 inch front and the OEM mudguard.

 

Nice research and thanks again.

 

Rich

[Noel McCutcheon]

I fitted 17” wheels to my DRZ-400 E enduro. I put Different wheel bearings in to Accommodate the axle diameter and some spacers sorted the rest. Result brilliant. So 17” T7  be fantastic. It will happen somewhere.

[Rich TT]

16 minutes ago, X Plane said:

I fitted 17” wheels to my DRZ-400 E enduro. I put Different wheel bearings in to Accommodate the axle diameter and some spacers sorted the rest. Result brilliant. So 17” T7  be fantastic. It will happen somewhere.

Me too and happy memories of my DRZ400E. Did a track day at Rockingham on it and surprised a few sports bikes.

 

I'd like to try it with the Tenere, funds permitting.

 

Rich

[Aleksandar13]

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I will be in touch with these guys and another one from epping soon. They seem to have a good reputation and will report back.. 

What size rims would be needed for the front and back width wise? And they should be aluminium with ppc finish I presume

Let's presume I use the original hubs as stated before then I would need : high fender to make it look decent but I could keep the brakes as they are at the moment... 

Anything else I need to consider? 

Regards Aleks 

[Aleksandar13]

On 1/24/2020 at 10:39 AM, Rich TT said:

Very interesting and a good price indeed. Now all I need are some wheels to appear on eBay as I need my off road wheels ! Or save up and buy some bartubeless from rally raid......

 

I think I measured the front mudguard and clearance from my KTM supermoto wheel and it looked OK or just minor cutting of the front mudguard. It would look great with a supermoto front mudguard and twin brakelines and trash the original fender as would look daft I recokon with a much smaller 17 inch front and the OEM mudguard.

 

Nice research and thanks again.

 

Rich

Rich,

 

What is your opinion on going 18/18 wheels on the bike... The tyre choice now for 18 inch front seems to be good and this would mean just changing the front and the back stays as it is...  

 

This will dramatically decrease the cost of the build and as the bike turns in ok with 21 inch it would probably be a nice motard with 18 and 18 setup.

 

Look forward to your opinion.

 

Aleks 

 

[Rich TT]

2 minutes ago, Aleksandar13 said:

Rich,

 

What is your opinion on going 18/18 wheels on the bike... The tyre choice now for 18 inch front seems to be good and this would mean just changing the front and the back stays as it is...  

 

This will dramatically decrease the cost of the build and as the bike turns in ok with 21 inch it would probably be a nice motard with 18 and 18 setup.

 

Look forward to your opinion.

 

Aleks 

 

Hi Aleks,

 

I think that's a great idea. Plus it will have the added advantage of being slightly more stable as the bike won't be so steep with the big jump from 21 to 17inch front.

 

This way you're only "dropping the front" (21-18)/2 which is 1.5 inch or 3.8cm.

 

Please keep us posted.

 

Rich

[Aleksandar13]

2 hours ago, Rich TT said:

Hi Aleks,

 

I think that's a great idea. Plus it will have the added advantage of being slightly more stable as the bike won't be so steep with the big jump from 21 to 17inch front.

 

This way you're only "dropping the front" (21-18)/2 which is 1.5 inch or 3.8cm.

 

Please keep us posted.

 

Rich

I have got myself a proper quote written in stone...  

 

£175 for the rim 18 inch 2.5 wide ( no ppc finish in aluminium)

£75 for 36 spokes in stainless 

£55 labour to get the hub and the new rim together 

= £275 with no PPC finish ( £40 for PPC , I will do this for free but I am concerned the colour is not going to be the same unless I can get my hands on the RAL number)

 

Now I need to research tyres and fenders.. ( wonder if the stock one will look badly on 18 inch ) 

 

Aleks 

[Aleksandar13]

On 3/2/2020 at 1:35 PM, Rich TT said:

Hi Aleks,

 

I think that's a great idea. Plus it will have the added advantage of being slightly more stable as the bike won't be so steep with the big jump from 21 to 17inch front.

 

This way you're only "dropping the front" (21-18)/2 which is 1.5 inch or 3.8cm.

 

Please keep us posted.

 

Rich

Rich, is the speedo going to be affected?

[Rich TT]

I would guess, but no idea where it's picked up from. If rear wheel or gearbox, you should be fine.

[Whitey66]

1 hour ago, Rich TT said:

I would guess, but no idea where it's picked up from. If rear wheel or gearbox, you should be fine.

It gets the speed signal from the front wheel sensor and rotor.

Edited March 5, 2020 by Whitey66

[Aleksandar13]

17 minutes ago, Whitey66 said:

It gets the speed signal from the front wheel sensor and rotor.

Thank you for this... Would it be possible to swap the ring from MT07 and thats going to solve the issue ?