TENERE RAID NEW PATENTS

[Kalle]

10 hours ago, Ace402 said:

If they didn’t upgrade the suspension to 48mm SSS forks it’s not worth the upgrade in my opinion. Most other issues are solved for a reasonable price on the aftermarket.

 

 

Probably you can take 48mm as an option. This seems to be a great opportunity to spend big bucks...

 

Edited January 20, 2022 by Kalle

[Tenerider]

Nice video on the new one:

 

I agree with what he says: Think of it as the base for the Raid study - it's definitely possible to upgrade it.

At about 3:55 both bikes are shown from the front - it's really a BIG difference in width.

 

Actuall, both versions make sense somehow and complement each other.

Edited January 20, 2022 by Tenerider

[Toei]

I’ve been doing more riding at night to extend my riding through the winter, and one annoyance is that the current LCD screen doesn’t have a reverse mode (or auto-dimming) to cut down on the light emission at night.  For that reason I’m intrigued by the new screen - if backwards compatible.

 

It would also be nice to split up the one switchable data field into two, one for mileages and the other for temperatures.

[tenerecanada]

 

3 hours ago, Tenerider said:

I also guess it won't replace the T7, but rather be a way more expensive (!!!) bigger sister model.

 

I like the idea of the potentially lower COG plus the front-extended seat, but that's ruined a bit imho by making it fatter, adding wider windscreens and so on (although it makes sense on tarmac probably). Imagine how wide it will be with crash bars!

 

It's not a true performance upgrade imho, also to me it seems more like a marketing decision. Not much in common with the spirit/idea of Raid prototype, as I understand it.

Anyway, look from the sides is quite nice, but less unique than the "real" T7.

 

Nevertheless, it might be more appealing to road oriented bikers eating miles. Agree that TFTs are what many people are looking for (not me). Same for fuel range and fat looking, GS-like bigs. Fat bikes make you look less fat

 

 

I couldn't agree more. The OG T7 is a winner to me party due to the fact it is so narrow. Riding in singletrack you aren't getting hung up on stuff - a buddy on a 790 could not stop getting tied up on stumps on one of our trips, even deeper narrow ruts were causing him problems. This is the tradeoff for having all your gas up high. The moment you look to lower the center of gravity using the location of your gas, the only direction you can go is outwards. I figure adding the Acerbis tank (losing a bit of weight there), then filling to the previous capacity or less for hard offroad riding gets you much further ahead with a slightly lower center of gravity.

[BikeBrother]

2 hours ago, Toei said:

I’ve been doing more riding at night to extend my riding through the winter, and one annoyance is that the current LCD screen doesn’t have a reverse mode (or auto-dimming) to cut down on the light emission at night.  For that reason I’m intrigued by the new screen - if backwards compatible.

 

It would also be nice to split up the one switchable data field into two, one for mileages and the other for temperatures.

You can adjust the brightness of the screen. I red in manual, didnot adjusted, cos for me its ok at night.

[Rocky_Mtn_T7]

Chances are it will not be an option in North America since we don't even get the Rally version over here. Which sucks to say the least, as it would be nice to get all the different models. I think this year is the first year we are getting the SP versions Mt-10sp and Mt-09sp was available last year. From what I have seen locally their will be very limited numbers available on all of the 2022 bikes this year.

 

As for a TFT display? I think if you want an a nice big and impressive TFT display you best move over to a Triumph Tiger of BMW GS. :o(

 

I rode a Triumph Tiger 800 XCa with a TFT display on an Eidelwiess Motorcycle Tour in Southern Italy a few years back. Sure, the TFT display was nice, but it was the last thing I was looking at while riding around the back roads in Southern Italy. The one thing that was nice about the TFT Display was how it would automatically change over to a Dark/Night mode when we entered any tunnels. ;o)

 

Plus let’s face it, when it comes to TFT displays Yamaha's versions on all the bikes are very basic and small TFT Displays. It's like they are slapping them on the new bikes just so they can say, "Look we have a TFT display too!"

 

Sorry but I like the simple LCD Display on my T7, especially once the bike is off warranty and if the display ever breaks it will be a $250.00+/- item to replace. Compared to a $1,000,00+ TFT Display to replace.

Edited January 20, 2022 by Rocky_Mtn_T7

[Rocky_Mtn_T7]

1 hour ago, BikeBrother said:

You can adjust the brightness of the screen. I red in manual, didnot adjusted, cos for me its ok at night.

Yes you can manually adjust the brightness, but no automatic night mode.

 

 

[Toei]

I have adjusted the brightness on mine.  It's better than nothing, but it's a pain and more of a set-and-forget feature than something to be tweaked during a ride.  

 

If Yamaha had only offered reverse-LCD and possibly auto-dimming on the original display I'd be 100% happy.  As it is I'll be curious about the new display.  If it's over $400 I'll skip it, assuming it's even backwards-compatible.  

 

My money is that the Raid will come to North America though.  We don't get all the minor trim levels that Europe does, but the Raid can be considered a different model.  

[Rocky_Mtn_T7]

1 hour ago, Toei said:

"If Yamaha had only offered reverse-LCD"

 

It might be worth contacting Tripage LED and see if they can do a color reverse on the T7 display?

 

Here is a link to their website, where they have different color change options for the instrument display on the Yamaha FZ-09's.

 

FZ-09 cluster led

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FZ-09 cluster led

 

 

 

If Tripage LED gets enough interest from the T7 community, they might even do more products for the T7.

Edited January 20, 2022 by Rocky_Mtn_T7

[RIDER GUIDER]

On 1/19/2022 at 7:26 PM, Kalle said:

Dealer here saying coming june/july. I have ordered one.

I have to say the bike you ordered will not be this one if you're getting it this year.  2022 model yes.  But this one might be 2023 or a version of it.

[RIDER GUIDER]

There's nothing happening on future T7 yet that will tempt me away from my 2021.  It's good enough as is.  

 

Yamaha will struggle to get current owners to trade 'up' so the used market will still be lacking in stock, we've probably all spent too much on our current bikes to start again.   I've just seen one for sale in South Australia - with a fair few extras but with 10000 kms on the dial and no one baulking at the asking price of just over $20K ... basically the owner is asking for and will probably get ALL his money back that he spent on it.  Unbelievable in times gone by but times have changed. 

 

As for this concept there are some interesting ideas but unlikely we'll see them all combined on to one bike.  

 

Personally I hope we see an attempt from Yamaha to stick with basic, I was going for a new Tiger Rally Pro 900 but the tech (TFT, htd seats and all that bollocks) put me off, not because I don't like it but the potential for lengthy warranty issues was huge and in the case of the T7, warranty issues are practically none existent.  

 

What I'd like to see from a future T7:-

450km range

Weight reduction by a standard lighter (and higher less vulnerable) exhaust

Weight reduction by standard lithium battery

Weight reduction by better lighter tubeless rims

LED indicators on all models

 

HOWEVER - I can of course do these things myself - and am doing 

[Kalle]

9 hours ago, RIDER GUIDER said:

I have to say the bike you ordered will not be this one if you're getting it this year.  2022 model yes.  But this one might be 2023 or a version of it.

You might be right there. Panicked last night and bought a 2021 Rally. 

[RIDER GUIDER]

2 minutes ago, Kalle said:

You might be right there. Panicked last night and bought a 2021 Rally. 

If that's panic buying well you need to panic buy more often!!!    Congratulations - you will not regret that bike one bit!!!!!  TOP DECISION

[Kalle]

1 minute ago, RIDER GUIDER said:

If that's panic buying well you need to panic buy more often!!!    Congratulations - you will not regret that bike one bit!!!!!  TOP DECISION

 

[RIDER GUIDER]

2 minutes ago, Kalle said:

 

OH YEH !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! VERY NICE

[RIDER GUIDER]

Just now, RIDER GUIDER said:

OH YEH !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! VERY NICE

They didn't bring the Rally in to Australia unfortunately or I would have got one for sure. 

[Dougie]

1 hour ago, RIDER GUIDER said:

They didn't bring the Rally in to Australia unfortunately or I would have got one for sure. 

It’s cheap enough (within reason) to get all the plastics for the rally models if you wanted a change of look, through the dealers. I’ll be doing the red/white rally back end etc. To match my 1vj. The gold rims are the harder/more expensive part. I’ll just get them coated at central when she’s due a tyre swap. 

[TimeMachine]

On 1/19/2022 at 8:06 PM, Burnsey said:

 

I'm not wrong, just my opinion is different to yours.

 

Are you still using Betamax to watch porn?

The T7's LCD is a class act. Dont let the LCD tech fool you.

 

It's very clear to read in daylight and with large digits is easy to see considering my poor vision. It's very reliable given the number of T7s out there and the way they get used, inexpensive to replace compared to TFT ($258), and light weight (200 grams from memory). Given Yamaha high quality standards of electrics it is probably water resistant too (after a dry out). It even has navigation buttons built into it and a dedicated ABS button. Guys are even mounting it into different locations on the bike, which speaks to it's versatility. 

 

Seriously,  any complaints about this instrument cluster must pertain to tech for tech sake. Certainly nothing to do with the way it functions, and I doubt a TFT would function better by any of the above measures.

[Burnsey]

14 minutes ago, TimeMachine said:

The T7's LCD is a class act. Dont let the LCD tech fool you.

 

It's very clear to read in daylight and with large digits is easy to see considering my poor vision. It's very reliable given the number of T7s out there and the way they get used, inexpensive to replace compared to TFT ($258), and light weight (200 grams from memory). Given Yamaha high quality standards of electrics it is probably water resistant too (after a dry out). It even has navigation buttons built into it and a dedicated ABS button. Guys are even mounting it into different locations on the bike, which speaks to it's versatility. 

 

Seriously,  any complaints about this instrument cluster must pertain to tech for tech sake. Certainly nothing to do with the way it functions, and I doubt a TFT would function better by any of the above measures.

 

I can't understand what comments my own comment has resulted in?

 

I REALLY LIKE the LCD display, but I expect it will be soon superseded by TFT. That is simply progress, which I didn't say was preferential, but inevitable.

 

Those who think it will be fussy - I expect it will display exactly the same information as the current unit, with a switch to toggle various functions. If you don't want functions, just keep your finder away from the switch.

 

It will be interesting to see though, if a new unit adds a smartphone connected app to record rides etc.

 

 

[TimeMachine]

3 minutes ago, Burnsey said:

 

I can't understand what comments my own comment has resulted in?

 

I REALLY LIKE the LCD display, but I expect it will be soon superseded by TFT. That is simply progress, which I didn't say was preferential, but inevitable.

 

Those who think it will be fussy - I expect it will display exactly the same information as the current unit, with a switch to toggle various functions. If you don't want functions, just keep your finder away from the switch.

 

It will be interesting to see though, if a new unit adds a smartphone connected app to record rides etc.

Let's just hope that any new instrument cluster remains that simple, fires up quickly and is not overly burdened with menus. The slow display on the Africa Twin is an example of what I would not want.

[Toei]

9 hours ago, TimeMachine said:

Let's just hope that any new instrument cluster remains that simple, fires up quickly and is not overly burdened with menus. The slow display on the Africa Twin is an example of what I would not want.

Assuming the T7 is not adding ride modes, traction control, adjustable engine braking, or electronic suspension; I don't see what they would even create menus with/for. 

[TimeMachine]

1 hour ago, Toei said:

Assuming the T7 is not adding ride modes, traction control, adjustable engine braking, or electronic suspension; I don't see what they would even create menus with/for. 

Going with a colour TFT might encourage them to offer choices in screen layout, touch screen for hazards or ABS control, fancy clock and units settings, or may require a substantial code library to drive it with different processing architecture.

 

To be honest, nothing can explain the 20 plus seconds it takes for the Africa Twin to fire up. My computer fires up quicker. I just hope Yamaha know better.

 

[Ray Ride4life]

12 hours ago, Burnsey said:

but inevitable

Why?
It's not like LCD is stop being produced because people made stupid and preserved to want more and more.
For me it's like the latest Dyson Vacuum cleaner with a laser showing you the dust and a colourful display telling you what kind of particles where sucked up. Completely useless and a waste of raw materials.
And don't come back with the if we never changed we'd be riding horses because that would be fine too. We cannot miss what we don't know. When i was a kid i had fun climbing trees and building huts or whatever and my parents had to drag me inside and if i didn't had what i have now i still would be fine with it.
Don't get me wrong, you have total right of your opinion and if you like the TFT it's an opinion but telling it is inevitable that LCD will disappear is just a thought and if that will be the case i will do whatever it takes to change the movie Idiocracy from the comedy section to the documentary section.

[Toei]

First off TFT is LCD, it's just a different variant.  But how often do you see "old school," monochrome LCD's in consumer electronics outside of motorcycle screens?  TFT LCD is now the default/low-end typically, while OLED is the up-market option.  I think the argument that there is a degree of inevitability here likely has some merit, because at some point the screen manufacturers may stop offering the monochrome LCDs.  

[TimeMachine]

1 hour ago, Toei said:

First off TFT is LCD, it's just a different variant.  But how often do you see "old school," monochrome LCD's in consumer electronics outside of motorcycle screens?  TFT LCD is now the default/low-end typically, while OLED is the up-market option.  I think the argument that there is a degree of inevitability here likely has some merit, because at some point the screen manufacturers may stop offering the monochrome LCDs.  

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