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8 minutes ago, Ray Ride4life said:

Big problem is everybody counts the full gear but my specialist said springrates are based on naked weight.
Only in the rear you can go for a bit higher when you ride a lot with luggage, that's why i have a 10Nm higher rated rear spring.

At least Race Tech also say "Rider weight without gear". Most other recommendations are either wirh gear or they  don't even mention if with or without gear (that's the worst).

What makes sense imho is taking additional bike weight into account. Crash bars of 5kg way up front should make a bigger difference than 10kg more rider weight. Or luggage on a long rear rack has a bigger impact on sag than centered rider weight and so on.

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35 minutes ago, Tenerider said:

Who knows? Maybe their stiffer springs work great with their valves. I think they know what they're doing, and maybe they're more performance oriented than comfort-biased. But I also wouldn't go for stiffer springs, especially in the front.

As we all know, suspension's task is to keep the wheels in contact with the ground - plushness isn't necessarily a byproduct.

 

Interestingly, their rear spring recommendations are lower by comparison! Recommended by Race Tech is 80 N/mm, and I'm running 85 (no difference between Tractive, Öhlins, ...).

 

And I've just completed the spring rate calculator with "street" riding - voila, here they recommend much (!) softer springs.

Probably because bottoming is much less of an issue onroad?

 

A heavier spring makes a huge difference in bottoming resistance (difference in spring rate multiplied by # of mm spring is compressed) so yep, combined with lighter valving it was the go-to solution for many years and is still popular in some circles.  Modern suspensions have incorporated better ways to reduce bottoming and allow for a lighter spring and the resulting improved compliance IMHO.  You'll still typically find stiffer springs on a Supercross bike than an enduro bike with the same bike and rider weight where bottoming resistance is paramount over a slightly more compliant ride. The thing is everyone has their niche. Racetech has always struck me as being top tier with old school suspensions but not as confident they stand out as well with the modern stuff and in particular the ADV bike crowd where very few will ever need to deal with big air landings. At least mine won't! 🙂

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1 hour ago, Windblown said:

 

A heavier spring makes a huge difference in bottoming resistance (difference in spring rate multiplied by # of mm spring is compressed) so yep, combined with lighter valving it was the go-to solution for many years and is still popular in some circles.  Modern suspensions have incorporated better ways to reduce bottoming and allow for a lighter spring and the resulting improved compliance IMHO.  You'll still typically find stiffer springs on a Supercross bike than an enduro bike with the same bike and rider weight where bottoming resistance is paramount over a slightly more compliant ride. The thing is everyone has their niche. Racetech has always struck me as being top tier with old school suspensions but not as confident they stand out as well with the modern stuff and in particular the ADV bike crowd where very few will ever need to deal with big air landings. At least mine won't! 🙂

 

So true for mine as well!

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I got the fronts installed, so far around 2000KM on them, very happy, they eliminate all bottoming i was getting while riding hard off-road.

They are also not so stiff that they make road riding terrible. 

 

cant wait for the rear to come off back order 🙂

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  • 3 months later...

Wanted to revive this thread and see if anyone had experimented with trying Ohlins spec for the World Raid version on the standard Tenere, YA819 and FKA116?

 

For the shock, Ohlins list the YA818 as 371 eye to eye with a 94mm stroke and the World Raid YA819 as 385 eye to eye with 100mm stroke. In theory it would yield an extra 12-14mm of travel with 14mm of extra ride height. Crossing referencing the Yamaha parts numbers between the World Raid and standard version show same shock hardware but different part numbers for the linkage  and dog bones. 

 

The fork is a bit less straight-forward. Different prefixes on the part numbers for the tubes but same part number. If rally raid/tractive are getting an extra 20mm out of their extreme cartridge kit it would stand to reason the the 230mm Ohlins world raid cartridge might work in the standard Tenere forks?

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