footpeg-to-seat height?

[Discoveror]

Might some kind soul measure and Reply with the footpeg-to-seat height? ... i.e to the stock seat.

 

Thanks in advance, as this will help me a LOT.

[JRS700]

I measure 24.5" from the footpeg to the low point of the seat. lt is a Seat Concept seat, but it is the standard size.

[mcbrien]

I'm measuring 21'5 inches from peg to stock seat.

[Lewie]

38 minutes ago, mcbrien said:

I'm measuring 21'5 inches from peg to stock seat.

Sounds about right I have 23.5 approx on the rally seat

[Dougie]

If you’re worried about seat height,and haven’t bought it yet, wait for the new lower travel version. 

unless you’re massive. Then wait for the extreme version. 

Edited May 18, 2023 by Dougie

[Discoveror]

My concern is standing from a >90* knee-bend.   Try standing from a >90* squat!    ... without pulling on the handlebars (and risking a 'whiskey throttle'.   ... and being able to reach DOWN to the handlebar grips ... from a 35" inseam with 35" sleeves.   6'2" over most bikes leaves me hunching over. 

 

fyi:  for comparison, here's what I've collected so far:

 

handlebar	peg to	make	model
to peg	seat
	20.75	BMW	G310GS
	20.5	Honda	CRF300L
26	18		CB500F
18	18		CRF450
17	18		MX125 Grom
15	17		Rebel
18	22.5	Kawasaki	KLX300
18	20		KX450
	20	KTM	390 Adventure
18	19	Royal Enfield	Himalayan
22	17		Int650
25	17		Cont650
	20.5		Hunter 350in
	21.5	Yamaha	T7

 

Several dealer salesmen told me that most, especially dirt bike, frames are similar in size with bikes varying (in $price$) only by engine displacement.  Looking across rows of dirt bikes, that was clearly apparent.

 

Thanks, again, for taking a moment to measure and Reply, folks.

[Dougie]

At 6’2”, my height, you’ll be fine with the original (+40mm)rally seat. One of the guys on here also has lowered pegs for the same reason. 

[Lewie]

I too am 6’2” with the rally seat 

[Hollybrook]

I'm 6'2" with 36" inseam.  Rally seat and -30mm pegs gives me the ergonomics I was looking for. I can still flat foot both feet at the same time. 

[Discoveror]

Flatfooting doesn't seem to be the/a problem for tall folks.  Standing on the footpegs and reaching the handlebar grips without being hunched over the front tire seems to be the tall folks challenge?

[Wintersdark]

On 5/22/2023 at 9:50 AM, Discoveror said:

Flatfooting doesn't seem to be the/a problem for tall folks.  Standing on the footpegs and reaching the handlebar grips without being hunched over the front tire seems to be the tall folks challenge?

Yeah.  Or being kind of bunched up - ignoring seat-to-ground height, the T7 is sort of set up for shorter riders with really high footpegs. As a tall rider, that gets your knees up high, which has several disadvantages:

 

Seated to standing transition becomes significantly more difficult, for one - this isn't a "oh it's too hard to stand up" whine, but rather when your up and down a lot over the course of a day riding it burns a LOT of energy needlessly and if you've got any kind of knee problems it's a serious issue.

 

When you are standing, you're way too high over the bike, so you can't hold it with your thighs.  This can compromise your stability on the bike, all the while...

 

...you're forced to bend over to reach the handlebars, which puts your butt back and shoulders forward too much, further compromising stability.  You can correct for this with bar risers, but that has the result of giving you kind of an ape hanger feeling while seated. Also, it is fiddly to keep the rider triangle correct as you don't want the bars moved back and up, but there's a limit to how far you can move the bars forward without compromising things too.

 

I run a Seat Concepts tall rally seat(+44mm), and lowered pegs (-30mm).

 

This gets me 74mm or roughly 3" more space between butt and foot.  While seated, the taller seat effectively *lowers* the handlebars giving a much sportier feeling which benefits the T7, as it does love a set of twisties.  Once you stand up.... Experiment by stacking 3" of books on a chair and standing vs normal for that chair, it's a HUGE difference.  But yeah, then standing, your shoulders are 30mm lower than stock, which gives you effectively 30mm raised handlebars, but also gives you 3" more bike to grab with your thighs.  Huge difference.

 

[Discoveror]

17 hours ago, Wintersdark said:

Yeah.  Or being kind of bunched up - ignoring seat-to-ground height, the T7 is sort of set up for shorter riders with really high footpegs. As a tall rider, that gets your knees up high, which has several disadvantages:

 

Seated to standing transition becomes significantly more difficult, for one - this isn't a "oh it's too hard to stand up" whine, but rather when your up and down a lot over the course of a day riding it burns a LOT of energy needlessly and if you've got any kind of knee problems it's a serious issue.

 

When you are standing, you're way too high over the bike, so you can't hold it with your thighs.  This can compromise your stability on the bike, all the while...

 

...you're forced to bend over to reach the handlebars, which puts your butt back and shoulders forward too much, further compromising stability.  You can correct for this with bar risers, but that has the result of giving you kind of an ape hanger feeling while seated. Also, it is fiddly to keep the rider triangle correct as you don't want the bars moved back and up, but there's a limit to how far you can move the bars forward without compromising things too.

 

I run a Seat Concepts tall rally seat(+44mm), and lowered pegs (-30mm).

 

This gets me 74mm or roughly 3" more space between butt and foot.  While seated, the taller seat effectively *lowers* the handlebars giving a much sportier feeling which benefits the T7, as it does love a set of twisties.  Once you stand up.... Experiment by stacking 3" of books on a chair and standing vs normal for that chair, it's a HUGE difference.  But yeah, then standing, your shoulders are 30mm lower than stock, which gives you effectively 30mm raised handlebars, but also gives you 3" more bike to grab with your thighs.  Huge difference.

 

Indeed, bikes (AND car seats) are made for some 'average' rider (whatever THAT is).  If you're not of 'average' anatomy, you're like a basketball player trying to be a horse jockey.

 

Since bike frames are fairly similarly sized, it seems that one has two options:  lower the pegs and/or raise the bars ... though most bar-risers follow the rake and bring the bars BACK toward the rider, exacerbating the problem.

 

I guess this is why basketball players just can't race horses?

Edited May 24, 2023 by Discoveror

[Dougie]

Can’t race whippets either. Tried. couldn’t keep up. They’re seriously fast. 

I’m thinking of getting the lower pegs next too. you are kinda hunched over when standing. That’s with risers too. 

[Wintersdark]

On 5/24/2023 at 11:56 AM, Dougie said:

Can’t race whippets either. Tried. couldn’t keep up. They’re seriously fast. 

I’m thinking of getting the lower pegs next too. you are kinda hunched over when standing. That’s with risers too. 

My 30mm dropped pegs are seriously the best mod I've ever made on a bike.  I wish I could do it on my Tracer without utterly destroying it's cornering ability, but I've broken off the feelers on the pegs already as it is.  

 

Can't recommend them enough.  It lets you experience the bike as it feels for someone several inches shorter.  For most of us tall bois, we don't know what we don't know - *All* bikes have been too short and cramped for us, so our "normal" is actually kind of bad. 

[Kiwi]

@Wintersdark

 

Where did you get your lowered pegs please?

Edited May 26, 2023 by Kiwi

[Discoveror]

13 hours ago, Kiwi said:

@Wintersdark

 

Where did you get your lowered pegs please?

eBay ...

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The pegs are well made and finished.  However, the lowering/adjusting  mechanism moves the pegs out from the bike ~3/4"; be mindful of that, as it will affect your foot grip into the bike when standing off-road.

[Wintersdark]

16 hours ago, Kiwi said:

@Wintersdark

 

Where did you get your lowered pegs please?

https://bosley6.wixsite.com/bosleyspegs