QuickShifter doesn't do 6th?

[Anonawesome]

Hello, I've searched everywhere for anyone else experiencing this issue, even with other brands of bikes, but I've had no luck. So I'd like to put this out here in case there's any T7 maintenance gurus who might have an idea. 

 

I have a 2024 standard T7 with less than 600km on the clock so far. I thought the quick shifter was gimmicky at first, but since this bike actually has enough power to ride with a passenger (unlike my dr350), I determined it might make a quality-of-life improvement to install the OEM accessory to make shifts faster, and with less helmet tapping. 

 

So I picked up the kit, installed it, and activated it without issue. But when I went for a test ride, I discovered it would work fine only up until 5th gear. For some reason it absolutely will not activate to shift into 6th.

 

I've tried on numerous occasions, making sure I'm not being an idiot and simply not releasing the lever all the way between shifts. That's not the case unfortunately. I also deactivated the quickshifter through the same method, and reactivated it again. No luck. 

 

The screen displays the correct gear, so I'm not sure why the quickshifter would think it shouldn't come on in 5th as if it thinks it's in the top gear. 

 

Taking the bike in for warranty is unfortunately not an option. I'm in the military and I've taken the bike overseas. Fun fact, many products' warranties are void if they leave the country. Screw me right? 

 

I'm absolutely 0 percent afraid of even the heaviest maintenance, but alas I don't have an obscenely expensive Yamaha Diagnostic Tool to read everything the bike is doing, nor do I have a current service manual because a giant book instead of a PDF would be a pain. I don't think it would help in this case anyway. 

 

So I'm hoping someone can provide some insight as to what might be the issue, before I have to take it to a shop to diagnose. Thanks!

[Rich TT]

The obvious question from me is can you change  into 6th gear manually using the clutch? If not, did it used to change into 6th before the quickshifter was installed?

 

Cheers 

Rich

[Anonawesome]

1 hour ago, Rich TT said:

The obvious question from me is can you change  into 6th gear manually using the clutch? If not, did it used to change into 6th before the quickshifter was installed?

 

Cheers 

Rich

Yes 6th works just fine with the clutch and displays the correct gear up on the dash. It's just that the quickshifter doesn't want to do that shift. Almost like some system is saying "hey you're already in the top gear, don't cut the ignition anymore", when it's obviously not the case.

[Rich TT]

21 minutes ago, Anonawesome said:

Yes 6th works just fine with the clutch and displays the correct gear up on the dash. It's just that the quickshifter doesn't want to do that shift. Almost like some system is saying "hey you're already in the top gear, don't cut the ignition anymore", when it's obviously not the case.

That's good to know at least. Sorry I can't help.

 

I have the first generation T7 and installed a Healtech quickshifter and it works really well I must say. Hope you get you're fixed.

 

Rich

[Dileo88]

Same identical problem for me.

I just finished to install the OEM quick shifter and I noticed this problem from 5th to 6th gear. The pedal seem to be stuck when I try to shift. If I use the clutch no problems accour. 

 

Anyone have some ideas?

The only think I would like to check is the dimensions/measure of the rod. On the YAMAHA installation guide there is a measure of 245 mm. I changed a bit this dimension during installation, just to adjust the pedal shifter eight to my preference. 

 

I will check tomorrow and I will try to set it at a precise measure of 245.

Hope this will work

 

 

Edited July 6, 2024 by Dileo88

[T7GR]

Mine worked out of the box. I was very strict with the measurements Yamaha provided though.. Maybe check that out first?

[SXXP]

I'm experiencing the same issue intermittently.  Some times it works, other times not so much.

 

It's always shifted fine with the clutch, before the QS and after.

 

I need to pay attention to my speed next time....maybe it's speed dependent....I'll test next time I'm on the bike.

Edited July 7, 2024 by SXXP

[Dileo88]

Update:

 

This morning i checked the length of the rod and it is exactly as recommended by the installation guide ( 245 mm from the center of the top screw to the bottom nut).

 

Other solutions I tried:

 

- I completely leave my foot before shifting from 5th to 6th, in order to avoid the wrong reset position of the pedal. Don't work

 

- I tried different RPM ( from 3000 to 7000). Don't work.

 

- I tried to apply more force on the pedal but it seem to be stuck. The feeling is the same as when you try to upshift after the 6th gear. Don't work 

 

- If I use the clutch to shift form 5th to 6th, it is smooth and precise.

 

 

If the QS is defected, shouldn't it give me the same problem also in the other shifts too?  (from 4th to 5th for example)?

 

Thank you guys

 

Edited July 7, 2024 by Dileo88

[Hibobb]

A suggestion might be to adjust if from the "exact" 245mm to 244 or 246 and try it.

[Dileo88]

10 hours ago, Hibobb said:

A suggestion might be to adjust if from the "exact" 245mm to 244 or 246 and try it.

Hi Hibbob

Thanks for your suggestion. Can you explain the technical reason behind your suggestion? Just to understand 

[Hibobb]

Well.... I am an old guy that knows nothing is ever perfect. Everything is built with a tolerance and if you look at all the items that make up this shift linkage plus the tolerances used to build the quick shifter... heck, there is even a tolerance to your tape measure. i am not saying a mm one way or another will fix it, I am just saying it is something I would try. My logic is worth what you paid for it...

 

Best of luck

 

Bob

[Dileo88]

10 hours ago, Hibobb said:

Well.... I am an old guy that knows nothing is ever perfect. Everything is built with a tolerance and if you look at all the items that make up this shift linkage plus the tolerances used to build the quick shifter... heck, there is even a tolerance to your tape measure. i am not saying a mm one way or another will fix it, I am just saying it is something I would try. My logic is worth what you paid for it...

 

Best of luck

 

Bob

Ok, clear. I Will try this solution.

 

A possible cause pop-up in my mind this morning. It is possible that the problem is caused from the sprocket? I substituted it with a bigger one (17 tooth). With this one I can lower the rpm from 6000 to 5000 at 130khm, which is a great upgrade and fuel consumption optimization for long trips. With this you grant a gear ( if I use the 5th I'm at 130 km/h at 6000 rpm, as the original)

 

It is possible that the ECU/Electronics think :" hey man, at this rev/velocity you should be in 6th gear so, if you pull the pedal I don't want to cut-off the ignition"

 

Make sense?

[Dileo88]

On 5/4/2024 at 2:30 AM, Anonawesome said:

Hello, I've searched everywhere for anyone else experiencing this issue, even with other brands of bikes, but I've had no luck. So I'd like to put this out here in case there's any T7 maintenance gurus who might have an idea. 

 

I have a 2024 standard T7 with less than 600km on the clock so far. I thought the quick shifter was gimmicky at first, but since this bike actually has enough power to ride with a passenger (unlike my dr350), I determined it might make a quality-of-life improvement to install the OEM accessory to make shifts faster, and with less helmet tapping. 

 

So I picked up the kit, installed it, and activated it without issue. But when I went for a test ride, I discovered it would work fine only up until 5th gear. For some reason it absolutely will not activate to shift into 6th.

 

I've tried on numerous occasions, making sure I'm not being an idiot and simply not releasing the lever all the way between shifts. That's not the case unfortunately. I also deactivated the quickshifter through the same method, and reactivated it again. No luck. 

 

The screen displays the correct gear, so I'm not sure why the quickshifter would think it shouldn't come on in 5th as if it thinks it's in the top gear. 

 

Taking the bike in for warranty is unfortunately not an option. I'm in the military and I've taken the bike overseas. Fun fact, many products' warranties are void if they leave the country. Screw me right? 

 

I'm absolutely 0 percent afraid of even the heaviest maintenance, but alas I don't have an obscenely expensive Yamaha Diagnostic Tool to read everything the bike is doing, nor do I have a current service manual because a giant book instead of a PDF would be a pain. I don't think it would help in this case anyway. 

 

So I'm hoping someone can provide some insight as to what might be the issue, before I have to take it to a shop to diagnose. Thanks!

Did you change the sprocket with a bigger one?

[SXXP]

11 hours ago, Hibobb said:

Well.... I am an old guy that knows nothing is ever perfect. Everything is built with a tolerance and if you look at all the items that make up this shift linkage plus the tolerances used to build the quick shifter... heck, there is even a tolerance to your tape measure. i am not saying a mm one way or another will fix it, I am just saying it is something I would try. My logic is worth what you paid for it...

 

Best of luck

 

Bob

 

Sage advise

[SXXP]

44 minutes ago, Dileo88 said:

Ok, clear. I Will try this solution.

 

A possible cause pop-up in my mind this morning. It is possible that the problem is caused from the sprocket? I substituted it with a bigger one (17 tooth). With this one I can lower the rpm from 6000 to 5000 at 130khm, which is a great upgrade and fuel consumption optimization for long trips. With this you grant a gear ( if I use the 5th I'm at 130 km/h at 6000 rpm, as the original)

 

It is possible that the ECU/Electronics think :" hey man, at this rev/velocity you should be in 6th gear so, if you pull the pedal I don't want to cut-off the ignition"

 

Make sense?

 

 

Interestingly enough, I'm running a 17T too.  I can't remember if this 6th gear issue existed before with the 16T and before that the OEM 15T!

[Dileo88]

1 hour ago, SXXP said:

 

 

Interestingly enough, I'm running a 17T too.  I can't remember if this 6th gear issue existed before with the 16T and before that the OEM 15T!

Thanks...

 

I Will definely try to reinstall the 15 tooth. I will keep you updated 

[Anonawesome]

2 hours ago, Dileo88 said:

Did you change the sprocket with a bigger one?

Yes actually. I went to a 16T as 130kmh would have the engine screaming. Not so good for the Autobahn. I will be very interested if it solves the issue for you, and also annoyed because I really don't want to go back to the 15T.

 

I wonder if it's a parameter that can be flashed with an ECU tune.

 

I've just been living with it, and trying every ride. I have also experienced it randomly deciding to go into 6th correctly about 1 in 30 tries or so. So maybe speed is indeed a factor.

 

I haven't checked this thread in a while. At the time there was absolutely nothing online about it, but it at least makes me feel a little better knowing there's other people with the problem. I really want to get the ECU flashed to get rid of the stupid jerky fuel cutoff, but not if I'm going to waste my money because the ECU is bad.

Edited July 8, 2024 by Anonawesome

[Janster]

On 5/4/2024 at 2:30 AM, Anonawesome said:

Hello, I've searched everywhere for anyone else experiencing this issue, even with other brands of bikes, but I've had no luck. So I'd like to put this out here in case there's any T7 maintenance gurus who might have an idea. 

 

I have a 2024 standard T7 with less than 600km on the clock so far. I thought the quick shifter was gimmicky at first, but since this bike actually has enough power to ride with a passenger (unlike my dr350), I determined it might make a quality-of-life improvement to install the OEM accessory to make shifts faster, and with less helmet tapping. 

 

So I picked up the kit, installed it, and activated it without issue. But when I went for a test ride, I discovered it would work fine only up until 5th gear. For some reason it absolutely will not activate to shift into 6th.

 

I've tried on numerous occasions, making sure I'm not being an idiot and simply not releasing the lever all the way between shifts. That's not the case unfortunately. I also deactivated the quickshifter through the same method, and reactivated it again. No luck. 

 

The screen displays the correct gear, so I'm not sure why the quickshifter would think it shouldn't come on in 5th as if it thinks it's in the top gear. 

 

Taking the bike in for warranty is unfortunately not an option. I'm in the military and I've taken the bike overseas. Fun fact, many products' warranties are void if they leave the country. Screw me right? 

 

I'm absolutely 0 percent afraid of even the heaviest maintenance, but alas I don't have an obscenely expensive Yamaha Diagnostic Tool to read everything the bike is doing, nor do I have a current service manual because a giant book instead of a PDF would be a pain. I don't think it would help in this case anyway. 

 

So I'm hoping someone can provide some insight as to what might be the issue, before I have to take it to a shop to diagnose. Thanks!

Hi,

I have a 2023 Tenere 700 Extreme with the same issue. 6th gear does shift, but it does a jerk and clunking noise, other than on 1th-5th.

Is there any dealer answer yet?

Thanks

Jan

[Anonawesome]

1 minute ago, Janster said:

Hi,

I have a 2023 Tenere 700 Extreme with the same issue. 6th gear does shift, but it does a jerk and clunking noise, other than on 1th-5th.

Is there any dealer answer yet?

Thanks

Jan

Unfortunately the dealer is not an option for me unless I want to pay out of pocket as I explained in my original post, so it'll be up to others to try to go through Yamaha with the issue. 

 

As it stands now, since the issue isn't super widespread like the clutch drag, it'll be a lot of time and troubleshooting for them which I don't want to pay for. If it were all under warranty it would be a different issue.

[Janster]

Let’s see. In my case it is a warranty topic. In September I will check with my dealer.

[Dileo88]

12 minutes ago, Janster said:

Let’s see. In my case it is a warranty topic. In September I will check with my dealer.

Hi janster,

 

Can you shift from 5th to 6th? 

Did you change the sprocket?

Edited July 8, 2024 by Dileo88

[Janster]

On 7/8/2024 at 7:50 PM, Dileo88 said:

Hi janster,

 

Can you shift from 5th to 6th?  Yes but it clonks heavily.

Did you change the sprocket? No.

 

[Anonawesome]

On 7/8/2024 at 5:17 PM, Dileo88 said:

Thanks...

 

I Will definely try to reinstall the 15 tooth. I will keep you updated 

Did you ever swap sprockets?

[Dileo88]

 

On 9/22/2024 at 6:22 PM, Anonawesome said:

Did you ever swap sprockets?

Not yet .. unfortunately the nuts is stuck and I can't disintall it with my home pneumatic gun. I must go to a professional garage with a more powerful gun

[Dileo88]

On 7/8/2024 at 4:13 AM, Hibobb said:

Well...

Bob

 

On 9/22/2024 at 6:22 PM, Anonawesome said:

Did you ever swap sprockets?

 

On 7/10/2024 at 10:41 PM, Janster said:

 

 

On 7/8/2024 at 4:03 PM, SXXP said:

 

 

 

 

UPDATE: FIXED!!!!!

 

Yesterday I finally re-installed the OEM 15T sprocket and the magic happens:Now the quick-shifter works smooth from 5th to 6th...Amazing.

 

As in my thought, the ECU probably got confusing by the rev/velocity ratio.It's a pity because the 17T is perfect for travelling and  longer trips.

 

 

[SXXP]

7 hours ago, Dileo88 said:

 

 

 

 

UPDATE: FIXED!!!!!

 

Yesterday I finally re-installed the OEM 15T sprocket and the magic happens:Now the quick-shifter works smooth from 5th to 6th...Amazing.

 

As in my thought, the ECU probably got confusing by the rev/velocity ratio.It's a pity because the 17T is perfect for travelling and  longer trips.

 

 

 

Well done and thanks for pursuing this to resolution.  As you said, it's a shame it won't work with the larger sprockets, but at the end of the day, having to use the clutch for that last shift is a minor inconvenience.