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Hello everybody...
I am writing from Italy and I have been the owner of a euro5 rally edition for just over a month ... what a disappointment! After having bought it in a poke and waited 5 months after a few km I can only find defects!
The spokes of the front wheel are already to be changed under warranty, the gearbox is inaccurate and noisy, the clutch tears, the on / off is annoying, I have already had to register the transmission chain ... and you will ask me, but how many km did you do with the bike? Used very little, 5 times, for a total of 634 km from google maps ... but 907 km from instrument!?!?!
Ok .... maps will not be very precise, but almost 300 km of difference seem excessive to me ...
Is it just me who has these problems ???
Ah ... the bike is already on sale....
I'm using google translator

 

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Good to hear the  spokes were replaced under warranty. With  so few kms the gearbox can be tight and requires running in, I found that myself. I don't really see that as a  problem.

Not sure about your clutch complaint, seems like the translation is confusing my understanding of the complaint. I have never heard of such inaccurate speedo readings, as your going to sell we won't here the final results. Would be nice to compare to another vehicle on a ride, rather than Google maps as your comparison. 

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Certo, se non l'avrò ancora venduta  farò una prova con un'altra moto. La frizione che strappa è dovuta alla trasmissione della frizione, se si gira il manubrio a dx ea sx si tira la guaina e lo stacco non è preciso. Nel traffico è molto fastidioso.

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I have a 2020 Rally Edition in Italy and never experienced any of the problems you list. Admittedly, I've never taken the bike off road and my right wrist is very soft on gas. But I have more than 13,000 km on the clock and the bike is just fun...the gear shifting is smooth even at low rpm's, the odometer is more accurate than average, with less than 3% error. Speedometer is off by 10%, but that's quite common. Clutch is spot on, maybe you should check your cable and eventually re-route it. The transmission chain has been adjusted just once and only marginally. All in all, your experience sounds very unusual, to say the least...

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Guarda....sono deluso perché la moto esteticamente mi piace...mai fatto fuoristrada...lo facevo con moto specialistiche...e non è neppure la mia prima moto, ne ho cambiate tante...ma per il gusto di cambiarle, mai un problema! Sarò stato sfortunato, e l'unico esemplare con dei problemi è capitato a me...

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@Barone76Sorry you're having trouble with your new bike. Everyone has a different tolerance level for problems and when they are unwilling to deal with issues any longer and just throw in the towel. It seems to me that your concerns should be covered by the factory warranty and if your dealer is unable or unwilling to help you then possibly you can take it to another dealer or contact Yamaha directly for assistance.  Yamaha builds a quality, very dependable bike and the CP2 motor has a great reputation for reliability.   Not saying that your bike doesn't have problems,  but the vast majority are trouble free and are providing thousands of miles of smiles. 

Like @Louis noted above, since you've already said you're selling the bike, the forum can't really help with suggestions and we here won't know the final outcome of that particular bike's status. Too bad in my opinion, as I think you're missing out on a great bike and urge you to try my suggestions before selling it. Best of luck whatever you decide. 

 

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Il concessionario ha inoltrato la pratica per la garanzia dei raggi, per il contachilometri mi ha detto che è impossibile...ma l'ho usata talmente poco che mi ricordo tutti e 5 gli itinerari fatti! Ho scritto qui per vedere se i problemi erano generalizzati o riscontrati solo da me...

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3 hours ago, Barone76 said:

Il concessionario ha inoltrato la pratica per la garanzia dei raggi, per il contachilometri mi ha detto che è impossibile...ma l'ho usata talmente poco che mi ricordo tutti e 5 gli itinerari fatti! Ho scritto qui per vedere se i problemi erano generalizzati o riscontrati solo da me...

Il cambio diventerà molto più morbido dopo il primo tagliando, ti consiglio di provare poi con l’altro olio semisintetico consigliato dalla casa madre, quello che loro ritengono superiore rispetto a quello base. 
 

(Gearbox will soften up after first service and even more with the higher spec oil) 

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Yes or perhaps no.

If I understood Italian I could probably give a nore precice answer.

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7 hours ago, Barone76 said:

The dealer has forwarded the practice for the guarantee of the spokes, for the odometer he told me that it is impossible ... but I have used it so little that I remember all 5 itineraries made! I wrote here to see if the problems were generalized or only encountered by me ...

The odometer on the T7 should be exactly correct. Not 10% wrong like the speedo. I have tested this many times against Google maps which will also be correct. Do not compare to your GPS distance because that will be wrong, especially in forest or mountainous country where you lose GPS signal from time to time. In contrast to that, your GPS speed will be more accurate than your bike's speedo.

 

Another source of error is when you run a different or worn front tire. For example I typically use a fatty tire (90/100x21) which has roughly 2% larger diameter, so I must take that into account when comparing to Google distance. It doesn't sound like that is your issue in this case.

 

I recommend that you do a thorough and exact test against a known distance, preferably over 50-100 kilometres of relatively straight road.

 

On the gearbox, make sure you have not adjusted the gear lever too low because it will get interference from the mounting and not change down properly.

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Look at the bright side, someone that will likely be happy with it can own it next.

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you never owned adventure bike, did you?

Lesson for future - don't buy a bike just because it's new on the market and everybody is buying.

Off-road bikes are like that, tough and rough, if you want smooth ride get a honda Goldwing. 

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On 6/22/2021 at 5:45 PM, Barone76 said:
Hello everybody...
I am writing from Italy and I have been the owner of a euro5 rally edition for just over a month ... what a disappointment! After having bought it in a poke and waited 5 months after a few km I can only find defects!
The spokes of the front wheel are already to be changed under warranty, the gearbox is inaccurate and noisy, the clutch tears, the on / off is annoying, I have already had to register the transmission chain ... and you will ask me, but how many km did you do with the bike? Used very little, 5 times, for a total of 634 km from google maps ... but 907 km from instrument!?!?!
Ok .... maps will not be very precise, but almost 300 km of difference seem excessive to me ...
Is it just me who has these problems ???
Ah ... the bike is already on sale....
I'm using google translator

 

KTM? Is it you?

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On 6/25/2021 at 5:57 PM, TimeMachine said:

The odometer on the T7 should be exactly correct. Not 10% wrong like the speedo. I have tested this many times against Google maps which will also be correct. Do not compare to your GPS distance because that will be wrong, especially in forest or mountainous country where you lose GPS signal from time to time. In contrast to that, your GPS speed will be more accurate than your bike's speedo.

 

Another source of error is when you run a different or worn front tire. For example I typically use a fatty tire (90/100x21) which has roughly 2% larger diameter, so I must take that into account when comparing to Google distance. It doesn't sound like that is your issue in this case.

 

I recommend that you do a thorough and exact test against a known distance, preferably over 50-100 kilometres of relatively straight road.

 

On the gearbox, make sure you have not adjusted the gear lever too low because it will get interference from the mounting and not change down properly.

Most vehicles come from the factory with a faster speedometer, so what? There is a reason for it. There are also fixes for it if you are that bothered. The speed (and distance traveled) indicated by GPS, received from a satellite in space is as about as true and correct as you will get. I use my Garmin to occasionally check my speed but actually am not that concerned... I generally know how fast I'm going. I would agree that Yamaha cheaped out on some things but the msrp is $9999. When I saw the T7 as a concept in 2015 I knew I would definitely buy one if they ever produced it. I feel very fortunate to have gotten one in March as there are still a lot of people waiting with no bike. I absolutely love this bike! Sure, I've spent some extra $$$ changing some parts but making my bike personal to me (with parts that small business owners are working hard to make) is also enjoyable, at least to me. If you don't like your Tenere, sell it. I'm sure most anyone you sell it to will be thrilled to get it. Maybe pony up and get a KTM with all the gadgetry that will impress your friends at your local espresso store. I have a feeling you might find something you don't like about most any bike you buy. Let's just call it intuition. Give your Tenere to someone who will be as happy as most of us are to have it and stop crying.

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2 hours ago, JohnnieBoy said:

Most vehicles come from the factory with a faster speedometer, so what? There is a reason for it. There are also fixes for it if you are that bothered. The speed (and distance traveled) indicated by GPS, received from a satellite in space is as about as true and correct as you will get. I use my Garmin to occasionally check my speed but actually am not that concerned... I generally know how fast I'm going. I would agree that Yamaha cheaped out on some things but the msrp is $9999. When I saw the T7 as a concept in 2015 I knew I would definitely buy one if they ever produced it. I feel very fortunate to have gotten one in March as there are still a lot of people waiting with no bike. I absolutely love this bike! Sure, I've spent some extra $$$ changing some parts but making my bike personal to me (with parts that small business owners are working hard to make) is also enjoyable, at least to me. If you don't like your Tenere, sell it. I'm sure most anyone you sell it to will be thrilled to get it. Maybe pony up and get a KTM with all the gadgetry that will impress your friends at your local espresso store. I have a feeling you might find something you don't like about most any bike you buy. Let's just call it intuition. Give your Tenere to someone who will be as happy as most of us are to have it and stop crying.

 

f**k me, it's like you read my mind

 

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3 hours ago, JohnnieBoy said:

La maggior parte dei veicoli proviene dalla fabbrica con un tachimetro più veloce, e allora? C'è una ragione per questo. Ci sono anche soluzioni per questo se sei così infastidito. La velocità (e la distanza percorsa) indicata dal GPS, ricevuta da un satellite nello spazio, è la più vera e corretta possibile. Uso il mio Garmin per controllare occasionalmente la mia velocità, ma in realtà non sono così preoccupato... generalmente so quanto sto andando veloce. Concordo sul fatto che la Yamaha abbia svalutato alcune cose, ma il msrp è $ 9999. Quando ho visto il T7 come un concept nel 2015 sapevo che ne avrei sicuramente comprato uno se l'avessero mai prodotto. Mi sento molto fortunato ad averne ottenuto uno a marzo perché ci sono ancora molte persone che aspettano senza bici. Adoro assolutamente questa bici! certo, io' Ho speso qualche dollaro in più per cambiare alcune parti, ma rendere la mia bici personale per me (con parti che i proprietari di piccole imprese stanno lavorando duramente per realizzare) è anche divertente, almeno per me. Se non ti piace il tuo Tenere, vendilo. Sono sicuro che la maggior parte delle persone a cui lo vendi sarà entusiasta di averlo. Magari fai il pony e prendi una KTM con tutti i gadget che stupiranno i tuoi amici nel tuo negozio di caffè espresso locale. Ho la sensazione che potresti trovare qualcosa che non ti piace nella maggior parte delle bici che acquisti. Chiamiamola semplicemente intuizione. Dai il tuo Tenere a qualcuno che sarà felice come la maggior parte di noi di averlo e smetti di piangere. Magari fai il pony e prendi una KTM con tutti i gadget che stupiranno i tuoi amici nel tuo negozio di caffè espresso locale. Ho la sensazione che potresti trovare qualcosa che non ti piace nella maggior parte delle bici che acquisti. Chiamiamola semplicemente intuizione. Dai il tuo Tenere a qualcuno che sarà felice come la maggior parte di noi di averlo e smetti di piangere. Magari fai il pony e prendi una KTM con tutti i gadget che stupiranno i tuoi amici nel tuo negozio di caffè espresso locale. Ho la sensazione che potresti trovare qualcosa che non ti piace nella maggior parte delle bici che acquisti. Chiamiamola semplicemente intuizione. Dai il tuo Tenere a qualcuno che sarà felice come la maggior parte di noi di averlo e smetti di piangere.

Dire che il tuo post mi fa ridere è poco...altro che piangere....sei un concessionario Yamaha? Hai progettato il tenere? O sei solamente un fanboy....??? Ho avuto tantissime moto che ho cambiato solo per il gusto di cambiare....e non ci crederai....mai un problema....

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I don’t really understand why you are setting this post in the first place. If you’re willing to sell the bike what’s the point to be here? You don’t even bother to translate your responses and yet responding in the jerky way. It’s a huge misconduct to the people who raised you, to all Italian families. 
The problems you encounter are not common. They don’t really appear to exist except your single bicycle. You should see your service but be more polite as they might not want to see you.

 

Yamaha is a simple motorbike for masses and it might not satisfy someone of your name 😉😜

2 hours ago, Barone76 said:

Dire che il tuo post mi fa ridere è poco...altro che piangere....sei un concessionario Yamaha? Hai progettato il tenere? O sei solamente un fanboy....??? Ho avuto tantissime moto che ho cambiato solo per il gusto di cambiare....e non ci crederai....mai un problema....

 

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You guys just beat Spain, something to be happy about no?!

 

Time to lock this thread.

 

 

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Forse non avete letto tutte le risposte....sono deluso della qualità della moto e ho chiesto se i problemi che ho riscontrato sono comuni o no. La brutta figura la fa chi commenta senza leggere! 

Ho capito che sono stato sfortunato e gli altri tenere non hanno i problemi del mio.

Purtroppo parlo e scrivo solo italiano...e con il telefono non riesco a tradurre.

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11 hours ago, Burner said:

Time to lock this thread.

👍

 

 

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It's an English speaking forum, so it's respectful of people and rules to use the English language to write. About your complaints: I think your disappointment is too rich in bitterness, the problems you've suffered are something that could bother but they aren't anything able to put you in danger. Said that, you could politely ask for a solution to the problems. But you came just to vent your bitter disappointment and with the solution already in your pocket, as you said you wanted to sell the bike. That's why people use sarcasm on you or get angry. If you want to fix your problems, lots of people here are ready to help. But if you're just angry and disappointed...well, there's no point in looking for solutions, as the only one is to get rid of the bike you don't like. The Ténéré is an accomplished bike, capable and with a great quality/price ratio. For me it's as close to perfect as it gets, I'd just like it to have OEM tubeless rims. But I'm enjoying it so much...and I have more than 1.2 millions km and some 70 (seventy) bikes in my past. So, fix your bike and enjoy it. Or sell it. But enjoy life.

 

E' un forum anglofono, quindi usare l'inglese è rispettoso delle persone e delle regole. Riguardo alle tue lamentele: penso che la tua delusione contenga troppa amarezza, i problemi che riferisci possono infastidire ma non sono tali da metterti in pericolo in nessun modo. Deto questo, potevi chiedere educatamente aiuto per una soluzione ai tuoi problemi. Ma sei venuto solo a sfogare la tua amara delusione e con la soluzione già in tasca, visto che hai detto di voler vendere la moto. Ecco perché le persone diventano sarcastiche o si arrabbiano. Se vuoi risolvere i problemi, un sacco di gente qui è pronta ad aiutare. Ma se sei solo arrabbiato e deluso...beh, non c'è motivo di cercare soluzioni, perché l'unica è liberarti della moto che non ti piace. La Ténéré è un'ottima moto, capace e con un ottimo rapporto qualità/prezzo. Per me è quasi perfetta, mi piacerebbe solo avere cerchi tubeless di serie. Ma me la sto godendo...e ho percorso più di 1,2 milioni di km su circa 70 moto, nella mia vita. Quindi, aggiusta la moto e goditela. Oppure vendila. Ma goditi la vita.

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