Lithium Ion Battery

[prwatts]

Hi guys,  can you just drop one in?  They save 2kg.

 

I heard that Lithium Batteries have a different charging rate and max voltage and are NOT interchangeable with Lead Acid unless the battery has its own built-in charge controller.

 

One Australian on the " Yamaha T7 Tenere 700 World Raid - Global Group" called me silly for asking this question, but AFAIK the bike (eg KTM) has to be designed for the Lithium Battery.  It is not so simple as to drop the battery in, is it??  Or am i indeed being silly?

 

Don't want my New Best Friend catching fire like a Dreamliner....

 

Peter

[Cruizin]

I put Lithium batteries in every bike that I own. YOu can put an lithium in any bike, no issues.  Dropping weight is like adding more power, actually better than adding more power because it actually reduces strain on your engine. 

 

Here is a link to a ton of em on Amazon Link Lithium Batteries

 

 

[al700]

Anyone installed a lithium battery yet? Are there any warranty issues? 

[Rich TT]

I've also put JMT Lithium batteries in all my recent bikes from a 140cc Honda Cub special to an Aprilia Tuono V4R. All have worked faultlessly and start the bikes very well as the cranking power is often more than lead-acid. You do need a specialist charger though, assuming you need to charge them.

 

A lithium battery is on the list for the T7. They save so much weight.

 

Rich

[Ten7]

Why did I wait so long like 5 years I was having warm engine start issues on my 08 busa the other day I finally put in a lithium battery problem solved not to mention 3 kg less weight if I get the T7 I will defiantly consider  putting  one in  

[al700]

13 hours ago, Rich TT said:

I've also put JMT Lithium batteries in all my recent bikes from a 140cc Honda Cub special to an Aprilia Tuono V4R. All have worked faultlessly and start the bikes very well as the cranking power is often more than lead-acid. You do need a specialist charger though, assuming you need to charge them.

 

A lithium battery is on the list for the T7. They save so much weight.

 

Rich

I am thinking of the JMT but I read that the Shido battery has more  cold start cranking amps (Cold Cranking Amps: 240A) while the JMT has Starting current 190 A...so does the Shido look better?

[Rugged Roads]

We've fitted the Shido to our own Tenere - no issues, and I'm not expecting any....... 

Shido Lithium Battery with LED indicator - Yamaha Tenere 700

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Shido Lithium Motorcycle Battery - LTZ10S LION - Ultra light OEM replacement lithium battery with LED indicator

 

[tonyubsdell]

hi peter,

 

you are not so wrong with your idea. my ktm 1290 adventure r did not support the lithium ion type battery. my dealer had to exchange it against a conventional one again. he says, the charging system cannot cope with this kind of battery. 

 

regards,

wolfram

 

[prwatts]

Thanks Wolfram, 

I want to be sure that the bike can charge it properly. I believe you CAN use a Lithium battery IF you get one with a built in charge-controller, which ensures that the bike does not overcharge it.  But I would like confirmation.  Yes it is a 3kg saving but it's a very expensive 3kg and there is nothing wrong with the Yuasa supplied with the bike. 

[Phaedrus]

The whole trend towards Lithium battery is a waste of money to save a few kilos while throwing out a perfect good battery (replacing the OEM). If and when the battery needs replacing is a different story.

My last bike (2013 V-Strom 650) was sold this year after ~50,000 kms with the original unit still going strong. Secret? Connect an intelligent charger everytime the bike was going to be idle for over a week. 

 

Travel back to 2012, the battery of a brand new 1200 GS did not last a year. Why? Initial FULL charge never done by dealer - more common than one may think - and no using a charger afterwards. A quick spin to Starbuck does not charge a battery. Lesson learned!

 

A whole different can of beans if one just want to farkle up for glory! Go for it and make your inner kid happy.

Edited October 28, 2019 by Phaedrus

[Motoadventure]

Cheers for the advise you saved me a few quid. 

 

Mick 

[TimmyTheHog]

On 10/28/2019 at 4:42 AM, Phaedrus said:

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Travel back to 2012, the battery of a brand new 1200 GS did not last a year. Why? Initial FULL charge never done by dealer - more common than one may think - and no using a charger afterwards. A quick spin to Starbuck does not charge a battery. Lesson learned!

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You have no idea how many dealers - bike and car out there have no clue about the initial full charge...

recently my parents' minivan suffered from that when they replaced the battery a year ago. Now the battery is DEAD!!!...thank god for consumer's warranty.

 

Although I have my dealer add the fluid in for all my older bikes (warranty issue apparently), I always make sure it is fully charged before I first crank it over...simple yet quite overlooked issue for sure...

[FAR&FURTHER]

On 10/27/2019 at 5:46 PM, Rugged Roads said:

We've fitted the Shido to our own Tenere - no issues, and I'm not expecting any....... 

Shido Lithium Battery with LED indicator - Yamaha Tenere 700

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Shido Lithium Motorcycle Battery - LTZ10S LION - Ultra light OEM replacement lithium battery with LED indicator

 

I'm using the same one, had it on the Honda CB500X and it's direct swap. I gave Honda the T7 battery and have Shido on T7.

 

Battery has now about 12 000km, no issues with it at all.

 

I have the version with BT chip (it's called Connect) so I can see health or issues it reports on my phone. I thought I won't ever use it but it's cool to look on the phone, to see voltage and that all cells are equally charged One can use this as a diagnostic tool for the rectifier

 

The only potential problem with the lithium batteries in general is they don't like to be jump started in case they discharge completely or die. This has not really happen for ages as the technology advanced rapidly in last few years and the all new batteries will have battery management systems which will balance charging between individual cells, protect overcharging and so on. So chance of that happening is very very low.

 

As I travel alone and like to minimize risk... it is possible to start T7 with only capacitor... it seems to be a common hack among enduro guys. Just plug the capacitor instead of battery, push start the bike and ride to closest place to get new battery.

 

 

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[Adrenolin]

Stop Check out the Anti-Gravity ReStart batteries! The ATZ-10 is what fit the MT07 so I’ve ordered one of these for my T7 when it arrives. These batteries have an incorporated Jump Start built into the battery which is fantastic for a bike with no kick start. These also have a built in BMS (Battery Management System) that monitors the battery 24/7 against over charging, discharging, temperature etc. If it sees the battery voltage dropping when not in use it’ll put the battery into a sleep mode to protect itself. It’ll even self balance the lithium cells when in use so no typical lithium battery maintenance. No charges are required. It’ll sit in the bike or on a shelf for a year without discharging. If it drains and you need to wake it up you simply press the ReStart button on the top. 
 

I have had the ATX-7 in my WRR now for a year and am have ordered another one (with the ATZ-10) for my other WRR. These are the best choice in lithium batteries right now.

 

 

 

 

[loneranger700]

On 6/4/2020 at 12:09 AM, Adrenolin said:

Stop Check out the Anti-Gravity ReStart batteries! The ATZ-10 is what fit the MT07 so I’ve ordered one of these for my T7 when it arrives. These batteries have an incorporated Jump Start built into the battery which is fantastic for a bike with no kick start. These also have a built in BMS (Battery Management System) that monitors the battery 24/7 against over charging, discharging, temperature etc. If it sees the battery voltage dropping when not in use it’ll put the battery into a sleep mode to protect itself. It’ll even self balance the lithium cells when in use so no typical lithium battery maintenance. No charges are required. It’ll sit in the bike or on a shelf for a year without discharging. If it drains and you need to wake it up you simply press the ReStart button on the top. 
 

I have had the ATX-7 in my WRR now for a year and am have ordered another one (with the ATZ-10) for my other WRR. These are the best choice in lithium batteries right now.

 

 

 

 

Hey man, any updates on this battery? I'm considering those blue lithium ion batteries, but this battery has d definitely caught my eye.

 

Was this what you bought? 

ATZ7-RS Lithium Motorcycle Battery – Antigravity Batteries

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NEW Hi-Power lightweight ATZ7-RS lithium motorcycle battery with our RE-START Technology (built-in jump-starting). Never be stranded by a dead battery again! Directly replace OEM YTZ7S and YTZ5.

 

[Adrenolin]

1 hour ago, loneranger700 said:

Hey man, any updates on this battery? I'm considering those blue lithium ion batteries, but this battery has d definitely caught my eye.

 

Was this what you bought? 

ATZ7-RS Lithium Motorcycle Battery – Antigravity Batteries

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NEW Hi-Power lightweight ATZ7-RS lithium motorcycle battery with our RE-START Technology (built-in jump-starting). Never be stranded by a dead battery again! Directly replace OEM YTZ7S and YTZ5.

 

The ATZ-10 fits the Tenere 700. 
The ATZ-7 fits the WR250R. 
 

I now have 2 ATZ-7 batteries in my WRRs and had bought the ATZ-10 for the T7 but just returned it. I’ll be carrying a Warn XT17 power winch which the battery’s BMS sees as Pulling to many AMPs and shuts down to protect itself unfortunately. I’d definitely have kept it aside from the winch as it drops about 6Lbs off the bike. 

[loneranger700]

Ah damn. Thanks for the update!

[rumrum]

Will probably replace the OEM battery once it runs out of puff. Usually have to replace batteries up here in north Australia every 12-24 months as the heat tends to kill them. I am thinking another advantage will be the added storage space under the seat as Li batteries are allot smaller in size than the OEM.

[Bucket Boy]

I’ve had one in my T7 for 6 weeks now. No problem.

[T7lee]

On 10/27/2019 at 4:46 PM, Rugged Roads said:

We've fitted the Shido to our own Tenere - no issues, and I'm not expecting any....... 

Shido Lithium Battery with LED indicator - Yamaha Tenere 700

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Shido Lithium Motorcycle Battery - LTZ10S LION - Ultra light OEM replacement lithium battery with LED indicator

 

Can you please provide the physical dimensions. 

Cheers

[FAR&FURTHER]

On 7/23/2020 at 9:11 AM, T7lee said:

Can you please provide the physical dimensions. 

Cheers

This should be brochure for the Shido, you can find all information there.

 

https://ruggedroads.co.uk/WebRoot/Store15/Shops/00cbb604-5d1c-407e-8207-580e14387ec5/MediaGallery/Shido_Catalogue.pdf

[Trollbiker]

I mounted a Lithium battery to my CB500X and have had no issues at all. Just weight savings which I like. Will go the same route for my new Tenere 700. The 2.3 kg weight saving is a lot...
 

 

 

Edited September 2, 2020 by Trollbiker

[pgeldz]

On 6/4/2020 at 12:09 AM, Adrenolin said:

Stop Check out the Anti-Gravity ReStart batteries! The ATZ-10 is what fit the MT07 so I’ve ordered one of these for my T7 when it arrives. These batteries have an incorporated Jump Start built into the battery which is fantastic for a bike with no kick start. These also have a built in BMS (Battery Management System) that monitors the battery 24/7 against over charging, discharging, temperature etc. If it sees the battery voltage dropping when not in use it’ll put the battery into a sleep mode to protect itself. It’ll even self balance the lithium cells when in use so no typical lithium battery maintenance. No charges are required. It’ll sit in the bike or on a shelf for a year without discharging. If it drains and you need to wake it up you simply press the ReStart button on the top. 
 

I have had the ATX-7 in my WRR now for a year and am have ordered another one (with the ATZ-10) for my other WRR. These are the best choice in lithium batteries right now.

 

 

 

 

 

Sound very similar to the EarthX line of Lithium Batteries, which is what I plan to use.  Have them in all of my bikes and I love the weight savings and the other same features you mentioned.  Glad I caught this thread again...makes me remind myself to order mine!  LoL.

[Adrenolin]

48 minutes ago, pgeldz said:

 

Sound very similar to the EarthX line of Lithium Batteries, which is what I plan to use.  Have them in all of my bikes and I love the weight savings and the other same features you mentioned.  Glad I caught this thread again...makes me remind myself to order mine!  LoL.

I haven’t looked at the earthx batteries in ages.. have they added the Jump Start feature that’s incorporated in the Anti Gravity ReStart batteries? This imo is a huge plus for the AG line. 

[pgeldz]

15 minutes ago, Adrenolin said:

I haven’t looked at the earthx batteries in ages.. have they added the Jump Start feature that’s incorporated in the Anti Gravity ReStart batteries? This imo is a huge plus for the AG line. 

I'd have to look into that.  I know they have all the protection and cell balancing tech built in, as well as not having to use a special charger, etc.  But yeah, the jump start feature sounds awesome!