TENERE RAID NEW PATENTS

[RIDER GUIDER]

This been shared yet?  Some interesting stuff ... some not so ... https://www.cycleworld.com/story/motorcycle-news/yamaha-tenere-raid-700-new-patents-revealed/

[Alf Meister]

From what I can see, its got these positive additions:

a bigger fuel fuel tank

TFT

steering damper

bigger footpegs

better looking

switch gear looks different (cruise control?) or tft menu’s

 

and these negatives (when comparing it to its competitors):

welded subframe

welded silencer hanger

same issues with seat (too narrow for long range comfort)

dual cable throttle, so possibly no cruise control)

tubed wheels

No TPMS 

bigger fuel tank, so more weight up high

probably the same spring and damping rates, although adjusters look different

Probably be £1000 - £1500 more tan a standard bike

 

so some nice positives, but plenty to be disappointed with sadly, hopefully Yamaha will do a SE with Ohlins front and back suspension (fork internals) tubeless wheels and cruise control for £12500 

 

[Ray Ride4life]

TFT with menu's is most definite NOT positive.

The lack of that bullshit is one of the biggest plusses on the T7.

[Dougie]

Don’t know about better looking either. Like everyone else, It’s got fat over lockdown. Don’t like the afterthought elephant ears. Bigger tank, optional adjustable screen, high tucked in exhaust, was all they had to do.  And gold rims.

[Burnsey]

I think they had to go TFT. LCD is a bit 90's.

 

Will still have a main screen with all the necessary info shown, so wouldn't get worked up about it.

Edited January 19, 2022 by Burnsey

[Kalle]

Dealer here saying coming june/july. I have ordered one.

[BikeBrother]

One of the reasons i got the T700, is its slim design. Most adv bikes are too fat, same the raid. I keep my 21 rally edition, forever.

[Alf Meister]

1 hour ago, Ray Ride4life said:

TFT with menu's is most definite NOT positive.

The lack of that bullshit is one of the biggest plusses on the T7.

 Pretty sure the standard T7 will remain and this version will sit alongside it. It’s inevitable that the T7 will get all the “bullshit” as stricter emissions and regulation will dictate , i.e. euro 6, euro anti-tamper regs, that will mean only oem parts can be fitted,  so no ability to add sfa accessories could be a real possibility in europe soon.

 

Anyone looking for no creature comfort T7 should be happy with the standard T7, as it’ll probably be 10kg lighter that the T7AS. They’re are two distinct types who buy T7’s, those who want an offroad bike, lighter and less gadgets  and those who want a adv touring bike who want tubeless, cruise control and a decent seat, with the capability to go down fire tracks etc. Yamaha will never keep everyone happy either way. 

Edited January 19, 2022 by Alf Meister

[Ray Ride4life]

46 minutes ago, Burnsey said:

I think they had to go TFT. LCD is a bi

That's where you're wrong.

You only stand out when you don't be the same.

Newer is not by definition better, sometimes less is more.

[Burnsey]

1 minute ago, Ray Ride4life said:

That's where you're wrong.

You only stand out when you don't be the same.

Newer is not by definition better, sometimes less is more.

 

I'm not wrong, just my opinion is different to yours.

 

Are you still using Betamax to watch porn?

[Kalle]

If there is no option for better suspension not sure if this is worth the hassle/money. I weight 90kg and planning to enter enduro races. Must be on a list of options when ordering the bike. I have reserved one and the latest info is june/july for delivery.

[Ray Ride4life]

1 hour ago, Burnsey said:

 

I'm not wrong, just my opinion is different to yours.

 

Are you still using Betamax to watch porn?

Then you don't say what you mean or we don't understand eachother correctly.

You said you think they HAD to and i said that you're wrong that they HAD to do that.

You did not say "i find that they need to", then it would be your opinion and that would be something i just have to accept.

I also said that newer is not by definition better, i did nit said newer is never better.

At work we have for milions on tools and machines but sometimes a blowtorch and a hammer are just what i need to fix a problem.

[Burnsey]

45 minutes ago, Ray Ride4life said:

Then you don't say what you mean or we don't understand eachother correctly.

You said you think they HAD to and i said that you're wrong that they HAD to do that.

You did not say "i find that they need to", then it would be your opinion and that would be something i just have to accept.

I also said that newer is not by definition better, i did nit said newer is never better.

At work we have for milions on tools and machines but sometimes a blowtorch and a hammer are just what i need to fix a problem.

 

I did say what I mean, but should have added - They had to, eventually

 

LCD is on the way out (already out in some markets) and as manufacturers, they must plan when to phase out, or change, items which will become obsolete. Who are we to second guess Yamaha's research and development department?

 

The hammer analogy doesn't work, as knocking nails in will never become obsolete.

[Ray Ride4life]

 I am cool.

[Dougie]

I’d still prefer a smiths clock which I could tap and another half tank of fuel would miraculously reappear for my return flight. Chocks away. 
I do love my old XT6, but I do love the absolute faith I have in my T7’s reliability, modern speed and comfort. And let’s face it, they’re the prettiest machines out there.  We’ve obviously all got very good taste here.

Edited January 19, 2022 by Dougie
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[Alf Meister]

Interesting that the fuel tank on the T7 Rally is quite a bit lower than the standard T7, so it could actually feel no heavier than its little brother. Knowing Yamaha, the fuel tanks will be made of steel, so I cant imagine the tanks going below the protectors (you never know though).  

[TimmyTheHog]

Kenta Tanaka from Facebook page has overlay the two together and you can tell the raid version has lower front tank which is cool

[Ace402]

If they didn’t upgrade the suspension to 48mm SSS forks it’s not worth the upgrade in my opinion. Most other issues are solved for a reasonable price on the aftermarket.

 

 

[Tenerider]

10 hours ago, Alf Meister said:

Interesting that the fuel tank on the T7 Rally is quite a bit lower than the standard T7, so it could actually feel no heavier than its little brother. Knowing Yamaha, the fuel tanks will be made of steel, so I cant imagine the tanks going below the protectors (you never know though).  

That's what I think, too. These pods might not affect COG negatively.

 

I personally prefer the slimmer look, and would rather fit Rotopax, imho greater flexibility (only mount it when needed).

TFT: No, thanks. I do prefer the 80's rugged style LCD, but YMMV.

 

I think it still has the T7 spirit anyway, but adding those features might tempt other rider types than me, who would otherwise go for Honda/KTM.

 

P.S.: Just read @TimmyTheHog's post. The COG could actually be lower than on the T7. Not bad.

Edited January 20, 2022 by Tenerider

[winddown]

22 hours ago, Burnsey said:

 

I'm not wrong, just my opinion is different to yours.

 

If you look at the likes attributed to the original comment on the screen, it would seem your opinion is different from the majority here.  That's ok though, we are all entitled to our opinion.  My opinion is the bike is Yamaha trying to cash in on the vast popularity of the T7, it's a bean-counters innovation, not an engineer's one.  They came up with a hit with the T7 and if they were smart they would see the obvious trend and make one a bit lighter, not one heavier.   When I ordered mine there was a Super Tenere on the floor but no T7's.  Supply and demand 101.

[Rider 101]

Tank too fat. i think the Acerbis has better looks. TFT? How much info do you want? Speed, engine temperature, revs, hi/lo beam and ABS is all that is needed

Less is more so I will stick with my '19. Just waiting for the Acerbis tanks in Australia and that is all the money I will spend ( I have done forks and shock )

[Burnsey]

41 minutes ago, winddown said:

If you look at the likes attributed to the original comment on the screen, it would seem your opinion is different from the majority here.  That's ok though, we are all entitled to our opinion.  My opinion is the bike is Yamaha trying to cash in on the vast popularity of the T7, it's a bean-counters innovation, not an engineer's one.  They came up with a hit with the T7 and if they were smart they would see the obvious trend and make one a bit lighter, not one heavier.   When I ordered mine there was a Super Tenere on the floor but no T7's.  Supply and demand 101.

 

The difference of opinion was in relation to a TFT versus LCD. I really don't see what all the fuss is about 'putting me right' by counting a handful of likes?

 

Here in the UK, there's an abundance of stock in dealers showrooms and discounts are normal, so again that leads to a different opinion, only this time in respect of supply and demand.

[Kalle]

Plenty T7 for sale in Sweden but not really discounts. I did bid 10% below on a 2021 Rally and the counter offer was gloves... The Raid will be like a new BMW, looks weird but in 2 years the old one looks ancient. 

[marktbike]

I think they'll add this new version to the lineup, just like the Adventure Sports in the Africa Twin's one. And actually I find it a great idea, as longer range is welcome, as it is more protection when travelling on tarmac. Of course tubeless tires would be something I'd ask for. For my use, the new one looks like it's close to perfect...

[Tenerider]

I also guess it won't replace the T7, but rather be a way more expensive (!!!) bigger sister model.

 

I like the idea of the potentially lower COG plus the front-extended seat, but that's ruined a bit imho by making it fatter, adding wider windscreens and so on (although it makes sense on tarmac probably). Imagine how wide it will be with crash bars!

 

It's not a true performance upgrade imho, also to me it seems more like a marketing decision. Not much in common with the spirit/idea of Raid prototype, as I understand it.

Anyway, look from the sides is quite nice, but less unique than the "real" T7.

 

Nevertheless, it might be more appealing to road oriented bikers eating miles. Agree that TFTs are what many people are looking for (not me). Same for fuel range and fat looking, GS-like bigs. Fat bikes make you look less fat